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New phone mount accessory from BMW - Steady Eddie - 11-19-2021
This looks like a quality item from BMW.
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0359072EN/bmw-motorrad-presents-the-connectedride-cradle
It offers BMW connected app and wonder wheel integration. No price announced, but better be sitting down for that I imagine.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Lee - 11-19-2021
Looks like Apple is still saying no to mounting a iPhone on a bike.
https://jalopnik.com/bmw-and-apple-cant-agree-on-iphones-attaching-to-motorc-1848085738
With the new phone mount it looks like another reason to not expect a Nav VII in the future.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Grumpy Goat - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 07:56 AM)Lee Wrote: Looks like Apple is still saying no to mounting a iPhone on a bike.
https://jalopnik.com/bmw-and-apple-cant-agree-on-iphones-attaching-to-motorc-1848085738
With the new phone mount it looks like another reason to not expect a Nav VII in the future.
I agree that this is the way that BMW Motorrad will be going in the future and have effectively killed off the BMW Navigator. If people insist on getting a dedicated Garmin unit and can forego the integration with the jog wheel then there is the more cost effective $500 Garmin Zumo XT. But they probably recognize that many people mainly want jog wheel integration and telemetrics so this cradle, which can work with a wide range of phones, solves the issue and removes Garmin from the picture.
I just would like to definitively see how owners with the GPS Preparation that we have on our bikes would be able to say swap out the Navigator Cradle and swap in this new cradle. The articles are not clear on whether this can be done on non-TFT bikes with GPS Preparation.
As for the vibration - I am not surprised that Apple is taking that approach to head off any claims by people that the motorcycle broke their phones. They are placing the onus on the phone mount manufacturer to make that guarantee, and given the model coverage to include non-Apple phones, I would bet that BMW Motorrad would also not make such a guarantee. Even Quadlock does not make that guarantee, although its vibration dampener appears to do the job perfectly.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Grumpy Goat - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 06:54 AM)Steady Eddie Wrote: This looks like a quality item from BMW.
https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0359072EN/bmw-motorrad-presents-the-connectedride-cradle
It offers BMW connected app and wonder wheel integration. No price announced, but better be sitting down for that I imagine.
Anything with "BMW" on it needs that preparation for the shock. Thanks for starting this thread ... I am sure there will be many updates as the cradle is released.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Lee - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 10:44 AM)Grumpy Goat Wrote: I just would like to definitively see how owners with the GPS Preparation that we have on our bikes would be able to say swap out the Navigator Cradle and swap in this new cradle. The articles are not clear on whether this can be done on non-TFT bikes with GPS Preparation.
Sounds like it works on non TFT bikes.
"The ConnectedRide Cradle can also be used on older BMW Motorrad models (e.g. BMW R 1200 GS K50) and fits all BMW Motorrad models equipped with the optional equipment "Preparation for navigation system (option 272)" - as well as models equipped with Multi-Controller and the option of retrofitting the navigation preparation via the BMW Motorrad workshop system (except R 1200 RT, R 1250 RT, K 1600 models). On older motorcycles without a TFT instrument cluster, operation is possible via the control element of the "Preparation for navigation unit SA 272". The prerequisite for displaying vehicle data is "On-board computer Pro (option 221)".
The ConnectedRide Cradle cannot be used with the Navigator 4-Button Mount Cradle."
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Grumpy Goat - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 01:29 PM)Lee Wrote: Sounds like it works on non TFT bikes.
"The ConnectedRide Cradle can also be used on older BMW Motorrad models (e.g. BMW R 1200 GS K50) and fits all BMW Motorrad models equipped with the optional equipment "Preparation for navigation system (option 272)" - as well as models equipped with Multi-Controller and the option of retrofitting the navigation preparation via the BMW Motorrad workshop system (except R 1200 RT, R 1250 RT, K 1600 models). On older motorcycles without a TFT instrument cluster, operation is possible via the control element of the "Preparation for navigation unit SA 272". The prerequisite for displaying vehicle data is "On-board computer Pro (option 221)".
The ConnectedRide Cradle cannot be used with the Navigator 4-Button Mount Cradle."
Hehehe ... yeah I saw that. Proof of the pudding is in the eating ...
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Lee - 11-20-2021
Post from another forum.
MikeHSG Wrote:So looking across multiple news sources on this one, looks like BMW took a straight-on shot at both Wonderlink and the Acacia powered cradles. Here's what I've seen:
1. Pulls both power and CANBUS messages from the GPS prep (same as Wonderlink and Motorrad Navigator)
2. Sends Wonder Wheel signals to the phone via Bluetooth (same as Wonderlink)
3. Supports Qi charging through the cradle (no cable), same as the Hondo Garage and some Acacia mounts
4. Likely uses some modicum of middelware between the mount and the phone, baked in the app I'm betting
5. One press release shows it at $279
Wonderlink should be spelled WONDERLINQ
https://blackboxembedded.com/products/wunderlinq-commuter-edition
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - TriangleRider - 11-20-2021
The Connected App just updated on my Android phone to version 4.0. There is now a prominent tab to establish a connection to the Connectivity Hub. It is not clear if the phone will still need to establish a second connection to the TFT. For RS owners with TFT, I don't see much of a value add over the cheap Amazon phone holders that fit into the GPS mount. The Sport screen already displays lean angle, breaking, and acceleration. All of that data is automatically downloaded to the app.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Lee - 11-20-2021
(11-20-2021, 09:24 AM)TriangleRider Wrote: The Connected App just updated on my Android phone to version 4.0. There is now a prominent tab to establish a connection to the Connectivity Hub. It is not clear if the phone will still need to establish a second connection to the TFT. For RS owners with TFT, I don't see much of a value add over the cheap Amazon phone holders that fit into the GPS mount. The Sport screen already displays lean angle, breaking, and acceleration. All of that data is automatically downloaded to the app.
With the new mount and phone connected to the bike why does the phone need to use the connected app?
If you want navigation I would think you would use Google Maps.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - TriangleRider - 11-20-2021
(11-20-2021, 09:45 AM)Lee Wrote:(11-20-2021, 09:24 AM)TriangleRider Wrote: The Connected App just updated on my Android phone to version 4.0. There is now a prominent tab to establish a connection to the Connectivity Hub. It is not clear if the phone will still need to establish a second connection to the TFT. For RS owners with TFT, I don't see much of a value add over the cheap Amazon phone holders that fit into the GPS mount. The Sport screen already displays lean angle, breaking, and acceleration. All of that data is automatically downloaded to the app.
With the new mount and phone connected to the bike why does the phone need to use the connected app?
If you want navigation I would think you would use Google Maps.
The phone is using the Connected App to connect to the mount.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - ESquared - 11-20-2021
Following this one.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Grumpy Goat - 11-20-2021
(11-20-2021, 09:14 AM)Lee Wrote: Post from another forum.
MikeHSG Wrote:So looking across multiple news sources on this one, looks like
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5. One press release shows it at $279
This looks promising and I like the price.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Grumpy Goat - 11-20-2021
(11-20-2021, 09:45 AM)Lee Wrote: With the new mount and phone connected to the bike why does the phone need to use the connected app?
If you want navigation I would think you would use Google Maps.
I got the impression that the navigation using the Connected app uses downloaded maps. Could be wrong as I only briefly downloaded it yesterday to see if there was any part of it I could use not having a TFT bike. There is none., Was looking for a bike right off the bat.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Lee - 11-20-2021
(11-20-2021, 02:39 PM)Grumpy Goat Wrote:(11-20-2021, 09:45 AM)Lee Wrote: With the new mount and phone connected to the bike why does the phone need to use the connected app?
If you want navigation I would think you would use Google Maps.
I got the impression that the navigation using the Connected app uses downloaded maps. Could be wrong as I only briefly downloaded it yesterday to see if there was any part of it I could use not having a TFT bike. There is none., Was looking for a bike right off the bat.
Yes, with the Connected app you need to download maps to your phone.
With a TFT you do not see a map.
One little snag is if your phone does not except a memory card you may need to only download the states you think you'll pass through on a trip.
I think the new phone cradle will be great if you can see Google Maps on your phone.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Grumpy Goat - 11-20-2021
(11-20-2021, 03:56 PM)Lee Wrote: Yes, with the Connected app you need to download maps to your phone.
With a TFT you do not see a map.
One little snag is if your phone does not except a memory card you may need to only download the states you think you'll pass through on a trip.
I have CoPilot GPS on my iPhone XR phone which has 256 GB memory built in and I believe all of NA maps for CoPilot is in 2 GB. I have no issues with memory. Maybe the downloaded Connected maps may be similarly sized ...?
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - Lee - 11-20-2021
(11-20-2021, 04:20 PM)Grumpy Goat Wrote: I believe all of NA maps for CoPilot is in 2 GB. I have no issues with memory. Maybe the downloaded Connected maps may be similarly sized ...?
The map size was mentioned on the RS site but I don't remember.
The Nav V has 8 GB of storage and it's not enough to hold the North America maps.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - TriangleRider - 11-21-2021
A couple of basic videos are now online:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odfIbhG65Q8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDVlfSP_byk
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - ESquared - 11-21-2021
It's probably because I'm such a newb, but what's unclear to me so far (at least from those vids) is: 1) what bracket is holding the cradle in place up above the TFT screen? (and where does that come from?); and 2) how is all the "GPS prep" wiring/connectors moved from where it starts out from the factory (by the triple clamp area) to the area above the TFT screen?
Emphasis on "so far," as I'm sure there's a lot more that I'm not considering.
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - ESquared - 11-21-2021
They're beating it up pretty good over on ADVRider:
https://advrider.com/f/threads/connectedride-cradle-no-more-navigator.1527501/
RE: New phone mount accessory from BMW - trudd - 11-21-2021
To answer your questions:
1) The bike shown in the pictures is not an RS. I believe it's a GS so the cradle above the TFT screen is the standard position.
2) The cradle can simply be moved and the cable relocated. The moto-mate mount does this and runs the cable behind the TFT - Moto-Mate