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The lower exhaust, long wheelbase, and relaxed bar reach suggest a sport tourer, and the reviews suggest it would be capable. (It even has manual transmission mode for Debbie.)

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The lower exhaust, long wheelbase, and relaxed bar reach suggest a sport tourer, and the reviews suggest it would be capable. (It even has manual transmission mode for Debbie.)

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/20...20Combined]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-901.html Sat, 25 Mar 2023 13:53:38 -0500 trudd]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-901.html
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https://youtu.be/Yo9R2VmAkrk]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-850.html Thu, 24 Nov 2022 08:46:09 -0600 Grumpy Goat]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-850.html

When I was in the market back in 2016, I was infatuated (for a time) with the S1000XR until I decided that it did not fit my use case. Years later I was to buy an S1000R and while I enjoyed that bike a lot, it reaffirmed my decision made back in 2016.

This guy makes very good points highlighting the characteristics of both bikes and I cannot disagree with anything he says on either side. He even points out the horrible seat on the XR (IMO) which with its scooped-out shape cups your a$$ such that you can't move about - no good for long journeys for some of us. I will not buy a bike with a seat shaped like that from the factory, and it was one of the deal-breakers back in 2016. Anyway, I digress.

I wonder if he will have a third review (and a different winner) when the 2023 R1250RSs are out, although with no change to the drivetrain for 2023, he probably won't.

On this Forum, Ron is in the best position to comment on these two bikes since he owned both (selling the right one ) although I am possibly in the best position to comment on the RS in two-up touring mode.   In that mode I bet it would beat the XR hands down, although "A Brit A Blonde A Bike" might claim otherwise having owned an S1000XR for a while (now tours on a R1250GS.. ).



Two other videos from The Bike Show on the R1250RS:

• BMW R1250RS
  
• 2022 BMW R 1250 RS, still the best the way to go sport touring?
  

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When I was in the market back in 2016, I was infatuated (for a time) with the S1000XR until I decided that it did not fit my use case. Years later I was to buy an S1000R and while I enjoyed that bike a lot, it reaffirmed my decision made back in 2016.

This guy makes very good points highlighting the characteristics of both bikes and I cannot disagree with anything he says on either side. He even points out the horrible seat on the XR (IMO) which with its scooped-out shape cups your a$$ such that you can't move about - no good for long journeys for some of us. I will not buy a bike with a seat shaped like that from the factory, and it was one of the deal-breakers back in 2016. Anyway, I digress.

I wonder if he will have a third review (and a different winner) when the 2023 R1250RSs are out, although with no change to the drivetrain for 2023, he probably won't.

On this Forum, Ron is in the best position to comment on these two bikes since he owned both (selling the right one ) although I am possibly in the best position to comment on the RS in two-up touring mode.   In that mode I bet it would beat the XR hands down, although "A Brit A Blonde A Bike" might claim otherwise having owned an S1000XR for a while (now tours on a R1250GS.. ).



Two other videos from The Bike Show on the R1250RS:

• BMW R1250RS
  
• 2022 BMW R 1250 RS, still the best the way to go sport touring?
  

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Here is a video too (not from the funeral):



I can't help but wonder if there would be any impact on sales of the RS and if so would BMW be able to fulfil the demand. Still irks me that this model is not pushed more, and by BMW themselves.

Heck even when it comes to the driveshaft housing "fix" the RS is not mentioned even though the housing and shaft (and therefore the problem) is the same! Oh, I forgot ... there is no problem. ]]>

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Here is a video too (not from the funeral):



I can't help but wonder if there would be any impact on sales of the RS and if so would BMW be able to fulfil the demand. Still irks me that this model is not pushed more, and by BMW themselves.

Heck even when it comes to the driveshaft housing "fix" the RS is not mentioned even though the housing and shaft (and therefore the problem) is the same! Oh, I forgot ... there is no problem. ]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-648.html Sun, 06 Mar 2022 14:29:19 -0600 Grumpy Goat]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-648.html last rant about BMW Motorrad not marketing the R 12xx RS sufficiently, I happened to some across a couple of videos on YouTube suggesting that perhaps sport touring is coming back. Not only that, but this South African "Bike Show" video released today from Spain asks the question "2022 BMW R 1250 RS, still the best the way to go sport touring?"



The video is quite balanced, I think, and makes the case that the RS sees pressure from other BMW stablemates such as the R 1250 GS and the S 1000 XR, when it comes to touring duties, and that the RS may perhaps be too specialized to allow for the "adventure" challenge posed by the GS, and not "sporty" enough to push back against the XR. The reviewer does take time to differentiate between the adventure-bike-style sporty tourer vs the genuine article, and also creates space between the RS and the big tourers like the K1600 family and the R 1250 RT.

Then there is this other video from MCN in the UK (which I respect a lot) which compares cheaper alternatives such as the 2022 Suzuki GSX-S1000GT and the 2022 Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX - both exciting and capable machines that are significantly cheaper than the RS. The do mention the RS in passing as a classic sport tourer as they continue with their comparison of these two bikes.



Meanwhile Big Red has seen fit to release its brand new NT 1100 which is well-received thus far even if a bit under-powered compared to the other bikes above.



Point is, discounting the adventure-bike-style bikes, sport touring appears to be coming back - at least in markets other than North America where motorcycling is viewed a bit differently than in Europe - thank you American cruiser. People who love the RS like a bike that is capable of all day touring with a bit of sport-bike thrown in. Not all of us can afford a bike for every mood, and those of us who like to actually go somewhere when they jump on the bike instead of pretending to be some sort of canyon-carving, MotoGP rider-wannabe, the powerful, technologically capable and comfortable sport tourer is a winner.

So, in the face of this resurgence by the competition, will BMW start telling people that it actually makes such a bike and that it invented the genre? Or will they just let it wither on the vine? ]]> last rant about BMW Motorrad not marketing the R 12xx RS sufficiently, I happened to some across a couple of videos on YouTube suggesting that perhaps sport touring is coming back. Not only that, but this South African "Bike Show" video released today from Spain asks the question "2022 BMW R 1250 RS, still the best the way to go sport touring?"



The video is quite balanced, I think, and makes the case that the RS sees pressure from other BMW stablemates such as the R 1250 GS and the S 1000 XR, when it comes to touring duties, and that the RS may perhaps be too specialized to allow for the "adventure" challenge posed by the GS, and not "sporty" enough to push back against the XR. The reviewer does take time to differentiate between the adventure-bike-style sporty tourer vs the genuine article, and also creates space between the RS and the big tourers like the K1600 family and the R 1250 RT.

Then there is this other video from MCN in the UK (which I respect a lot) which compares cheaper alternatives such as the 2022 Suzuki GSX-S1000GT and the 2022 Kawasaki Ninja 1000SX - both exciting and capable machines that are significantly cheaper than the RS. The do mention the RS in passing as a classic sport tourer as they continue with their comparison of these two bikes.



Meanwhile Big Red has seen fit to release its brand new NT 1100 which is well-received thus far even if a bit under-powered compared to the other bikes above.



Point is, discounting the adventure-bike-style bikes, sport touring appears to be coming back - at least in markets other than North America where motorcycling is viewed a bit differently than in Europe - thank you American cruiser. People who love the RS like a bike that is capable of all day touring with a bit of sport-bike thrown in. Not all of us can afford a bike for every mood, and those of us who like to actually go somewhere when they jump on the bike instead of pretending to be some sort of canyon-carving, MotoGP rider-wannabe, the powerful, technologically capable and comfortable sport tourer is a winner.

So, in the face of this resurgence by the competition, will BMW start telling people that it actually makes such a bike and that it invented the genre? Or will they just let it wither on the vine? ]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-570.html Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:06:18 -0500 Pyrrho]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-570.html video review of the R1250RS posted last week by The Bike Show. Everything cited as a positive applies to the RS, and the two main negatives (looks and wind protection) are addressed by it.]]> video review of the R1250RS posted last week by The Bike Show. Everything cited as a positive applies to the RS, and the two main negatives (looks and wind protection) are addressed by it.]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-566.html Fri, 01 Oct 2021 18:54:42 -0500 Pyrrho]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-566.html
Honda confirmed rumors of using its time-tested 1084cc parallel twin Africa Twin powertrain in another bike, this time as a sport tourer with the NT1100 to be released next year. All we have are patent documents to determine its body which appear to be similar in design to the S1000XR. Two versions to be offered at start, a NT1100A base version with manual gearing and lower spec, and a NT1100D model with a DCT semi-auto gearbox and other farkles like a taller screen.

Ducati announced a V2 version of its Multistrada. Really a remake of their Mullti 950, with new seat and a bunch of electronics like cornering ABS, traction control, ride modes & other farkles from the V4. All-new clutch & gearbox, and the V2 S gets a quickshifter. $5K cheaper than the V4 to start, so that's a reason to at least pay attention.]]>
Honda confirmed rumors of using its time-tested 1084cc parallel twin Africa Twin powertrain in another bike, this time as a sport tourer with the NT1100 to be released next year. All we have are patent documents to determine its body which appear to be similar in design to the S1000XR. Two versions to be offered at start, a NT1100A base version with manual gearing and lower spec, and a NT1100D model with a DCT semi-auto gearbox and other farkles like a taller screen.

Ducati announced a V2 version of its Multistrada. Really a remake of their Mullti 950, with new seat and a bunch of electronics like cornering ABS, traction control, ride modes & other farkles from the V4. All-new clutch & gearbox, and the V2 S gets a quickshifter. $5K cheaper than the V4 to start, so that's a reason to at least pay attention.]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-346.html Mon, 15 Jun 2020 06:17:03 -0500 BobAin'tStoppin']]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-346.html
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https://youtu.be/QHzZTN6psA8]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-320.html Sun, 24 May 2020 09:22:42 -0500 Ray]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-320.html
Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX with luggage


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2020 KAWASAKI NINJA 1000SX
Price (MSRP) $12,399
Engine 1,034 cc, liquid-cooled, 16-valve, inline four
Transmission,
final drive Six-speed, chain
Claimed horsepower 138
Claimed torque NA
Frame Aluminum twin-spar
Front suspension KYB 41 mm fork, adjustable for spring preload, compression and rebound damping; 4.7 inches of travel
Rear suspension KYB shock adjustable for spring preload and rebound damping; 5.4 inches of travel
Front brake Tokico four-piston calipers, 300 mm discs with ABS
Rear brake Nissin single-piston caliper, 250 mm disc with ABS
Rake, trail 24.0 degrees, 3.9 inches
Wheelbase 56.7 inches
Seat height 32.1 inches
Fuel capacity 5.0 gallons
Tires Bridgestone S22, 120/70R17 front, 190/55R17 rear
Claimed weight 514 pounds (516 pounds for the CA model)
Available Now
Warranty 12 months
More info Kawasaki.com]]>
Kawasaki Ninja 1000 SX with luggage


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2020 KAWASAKI NINJA 1000SX
Price (MSRP) $12,399
Engine 1,034 cc, liquid-cooled, 16-valve, inline four
Transmission,
final drive Six-speed, chain
Claimed horsepower 138
Claimed torque NA
Frame Aluminum twin-spar
Front suspension KYB 41 mm fork, adjustable for spring preload, compression and rebound damping; 4.7 inches of travel
Rear suspension KYB shock adjustable for spring preload and rebound damping; 5.4 inches of travel
Front brake Tokico four-piston calipers, 300 mm discs with ABS
Rear brake Nissin single-piston caliper, 250 mm disc with ABS
Rake, trail 24.0 degrees, 3.9 inches
Wheelbase 56.7 inches
Seat height 32.1 inches
Fuel capacity 5.0 gallons
Tires Bridgestone S22, 120/70R17 front, 190/55R17 rear
Claimed weight 514 pounds (516 pounds for the CA model)
Available Now
Warranty 12 months
More info Kawasaki.com]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-107.html Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:57:12 -0600 Grumpy Goat]]> https://rswasserboxer.com/R1200RSforum/thread-107.html
Many people automatically assume, usually with very good reasons, that Japanese bikes are the most cost effective and reliable bikes on the planet. I am one of those people. So that when time came to buy my BMW that was a genuine concern. The bike was expensive to begin with, and then if the anecdotal evidence on the fora were to be believed, they seem to like to go back to the mother ship to fix this or that. And sometimes the problems seemed like BS problems to me ... at least on a bike that commanded such a high starting price and had such a pedigree.

Now any time you speak of cost of ownership, the focus is on the machine as a means of transportation. As a means of deriving pleasure, establishing value is much more difficult and subjective. On the other hand, if the instrument of pleasure costs an arm and a leg, then there comes a point when one has to make a decision.

The true cost of ownership of a vehicle is often the cost per mile measure, where all costs involved in running the bike (most accessories not included) are divided by the number of miles (or kilometres) covered while incurring those costs. This cost goes down the more you ride the bike with nothing breaking, wearing out, etc., and the more the bike is fixed without incurring cost (like working on the bike yourself).

While Google searches can result in many hits on motorcycle costs per mile, with answers all over the place, I want to focus this thread a bit more on the RS.

Based on your ownership experience, how does the cost of ownership of the RS compare with other bikes you have owned? Would you be able to share a simple calculation and cost per mile total for your bike?]]>
Many people automatically assume, usually with very good reasons, that Japanese bikes are the most cost effective and reliable bikes on the planet. I am one of those people. So that when time came to buy my BMW that was a genuine concern. The bike was expensive to begin with, and then if the anecdotal evidence on the fora were to be believed, they seem to like to go back to the mother ship to fix this or that. And sometimes the problems seemed like BS problems to me ... at least on a bike that commanded such a high starting price and had such a pedigree.

Now any time you speak of cost of ownership, the focus is on the machine as a means of transportation. As a means of deriving pleasure, establishing value is much more difficult and subjective. On the other hand, if the instrument of pleasure costs an arm and a leg, then there comes a point when one has to make a decision.

The true cost of ownership of a vehicle is often the cost per mile measure, where all costs involved in running the bike (most accessories not included) are divided by the number of miles (or kilometres) covered while incurring those costs. This cost goes down the more you ride the bike with nothing breaking, wearing out, etc., and the more the bike is fixed without incurring cost (like working on the bike yourself).

While Google searches can result in many hits on motorcycle costs per mile, with answers all over the place, I want to focus this thread a bit more on the RS.

Based on your ownership experience, how does the cost of ownership of the RS compare with other bikes you have owned? Would you be able to share a simple calculation and cost per mile total for your bike?]]>