Have had no trouble finding ethanol-free gasoline on my current northwestern trip. The trip has been cool, in every sense of the word.

Sinclair Stations seem to be multiplying, and most consistently offer ethanol- free premium.

Came across this interesting sight - the ethanol-free pump is actually separate, to avoid cross contamination. Hopefully a glimpse of what's to come....

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I see this in Colorado at Maverick stations, the same layout as in your picture. Blue ethanol free all by itself. The Sinclair stations here generally do not have ethanol free.

I like ethanol free, it's a good placebo. I wonder if the extra 20 cents/gal pays out in gas mileage.

I wonder who do Sinclair and Maverick get their gas from?

(10-06-2023, 08:18 PM)Grumpy Goat Wrote: I wonder who do Sinclair and Maverick get their gas from?

There are only a few possibilities and most are in your area.  In my area, Valero and Exxon are the only brands offered that also have refineries.

(10-06-2023, 08:14 PM)runnerhiker Wrote: I see this in Colorado at Maverick stations, the same layout as in your picture.  Blue ethanol free all by itself.  The Sinclair stations here generally do not have ethanol free.

I like ethanol free, it's a good placebo.  I wonder if the extra 20 cents/gal pays out in gas mileage.

The heat energy difference is 3%.

A lot of times in our area the 91 AKI  ethanol free has it's own hose.
I have not seen 91 ethanol free and 91 with 10% at the same pump here.
Some of the stations in larger town have 93 AKI with 10% ethanol.

(10-07-2023, 08:34 AM)Lee Wrote: A lot of times in our area the 91 AKI  ethanol free has it's own hose.
I have not seen 91 ethanol free and 91 with 10% at the same pump here.
Some of the stations in larger town have 93 AKI with 10% ethanol.

In my area, e0 is usually 89 or 90 AKI and it has a separate hose.  The same goes for E15 88AKI fuel or the E85 flex stuff.

Just stay away from the smelly green hose

The Dinogas stations in the more rural areas tend to have ethanol free premium for things like chain saws and generators. As gas tends to lose octane over time, the e-free gas is typically premium so it will store better. All brands in an area typically get their gas from the same source - refinery or bulk supplier. The only thing that changes is the additive package that is unique to the brand and that is put in at the time the tanker is loaded. Other than that, all gas on the street is the same.

(10-07-2023, 09:33 AM)36654 Wrote: In my area, e0 is usually 89 or 90 AKI and it has a separate hose.  The same goes for E15 88AKI fuel or the E85 flex stuff.

Just stay away from the smelly green hose

Our e0 choices are 87 and 91 AKI.

A lot of choices in Iowa. 87e0, 87e10, 88e15, 89e10, 91e0, 93e10.

(10-07-2023, 05:17 PM)saread Wrote: The Dinogas stations in the more rural areas tend to have ethanol free premium for things like chain saws and generators.  As gas tends to lose octane over time, the e-free gas is typically premium so it will store better.  All brands in an area typically get their gas from the same source - refinery or bulk supplier.  The only thing that changes is the additive package that is unique to the brand and that is put in at the time the tanker is loaded.  Other than that, all gas on the street is the same.

Sadly, I mow and trim so much, my gas doesn't get a chance to age.

Both Shell stations near my house carry NonE, with the separate, blue hose. 89 at one, 93 at the other.

(10-07-2023, 08:03 PM)36654 Wrote:

(10-07-2023, 05:17 PM)saread Wrote: The Dinogas stations in the more rural areas tend to have ethanol free premium for things like chain saws and generators.  As gas tends to lose octane over time, the e-free gas is typically premium so it will store better.  All brands in an area typically get their gas from the same source - refinery or bulk supplier.  The only thing that changes is the additive package that is unique to the brand and that is put in at the time the tanker is loaded.  Other than that, all gas on the street is the same.

Sadly, I mow and trim so much, my gas doesn't get a chance to age.

Late fall, early winter I fill the gas can with 91e0 and Stabil. What doesn't get used in the snowblower goes into Debbie's car in the spring.
We had a dry summer so I used Stabil a couple times in the mower gas. I didn't need it, but you never know.

The only time I had a mower carb gum up was a year we had a drought.

(10-08-2023, 07:59 AM)Lee Wrote:

(10-07-2023, 08:03 PM)36654 Wrote:

(10-07-2023, 05:17 PM)saread Wrote: The Dinogas stations in the more rural areas tend to have ethanol free premium for things like chain saws and generators.  As gas tends to lose octane over time, the e-free gas is typically premium so it will store better.  All brands in an area typically get their gas from the same source - refinery or bulk supplier.  The only thing that changes is the additive package that is unique to the brand and that is put in at the time the tanker is loaded.  Other than that, all gas on the street is the same.

Sadly, I mow and trim so much, my gas doesn't get a chance to age.

Late fall, early winter I fill the gas can with 91e0 and Stabil. What doesn't get used in the snowblower goes into Debbie's car in the spring.
We had a dry summer so I used Stabil a couple times in the mower gas. I didn't need it, but you never know.

The only time I had a mower carb gum up was a year we had a drought.

After more than 10 yrs, I replaced the carb on my 160cc Honda mower engine.  The cost of the OEM part was on the order of $20.  Sadly, the rest of the Husqvarna mower is heading down hill.....kinda fast.  But, before I replace that, I need to find a replacement for my grass line trimmer.

Snow?  I use a shovel, then drink coffee.  Who has anyplace to go in the Winter?

Here in New Brunswick, and I think in most of Canada, there is always a choice of 87, 89 and ethanol free 91. HOWEVER, there is always only one nozzle for all three. So with my conservative riding, I use pretty much exclusively the 87. My reasoning behind it, apart from price, is that there is 99% probability that the guy before me fuelled with 87 and my first couple of liters will be 87 no matter what grade I choose.

Today in my daily Ag Newsletter.

E15 Could Trim California Gas Prices
California’s legendary high gasoline prices could be knocked back as much as 20 cents per gallon if the state allows the sale of E15, a new study revealed. Increasing the volume of ethanol to 15% from the current 10% would increase the state’s overall fuel supply and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
 
The projected savings would amount to around $200 for a typical family and would include an appealing octane increase from the current 87 to 88. The study was released this week by the Renewable Fuels Association and was conducted by economists at UC Berkeley and the U.S. Naval Academy.

(07-11-2024, 12:26 PM)darrell Wrote: Today in my daily Ag Newsletter.

E15 Could Trim California Gas Prices
California’s legendary high gasoline prices could be knocked back as much as 20 cents per gallon if the state allows the sale of E15, a new study revealed. Increasing the volume of ethanol to 15% from the current 10% would increase the state’s overall fuel supply and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
 
The projected savings would amount to around $200 for a typical family and would include an appealing octane increase from the current 87 to 88. The study was released this week by the Renewable Fuels Association and was conducted by economists at UC Berkeley and the U.S. Naval Academy.

Oil or windscreens were your other options.  

But, on a serious note, Biodiesel has been displacing regular diesel on the west coast for a few years.  Also, Europe has been producing more biodiesel than they can use, lowering the price.    

(10-06-2023, 08:18 PM)Grumpy Goat Wrote: I wonder who do Sinclair and Maverick get their gas from?

(Re-read the thread. Sinclair still runs their own refineries including the town of Parco/Sinclair Wyoming on I 80. Interesting history.)

(07-11-2024, 02:50 PM)36654 Wrote:

(07-11-2024, 12:26 PM)darrell Wrote: Today in my daily Ag Newsletter.

E15 Could Trim California Gas Prices
California’s legendary high gasoline prices could be knocked back as much as 20 cents per gallon if the state allows the sale of E15, a new study revealed. Increasing the volume of ethanol to 15% from the current 10% would increase the state’s overall fuel supply and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
 
The projected savings would amount to around $200 for a typical family and would include an appealing octane increase from the current 87 to 88. The study was released this week by the Renewable Fuels Association and was conducted by economists at UC Berkeley and the U.S. Naval Academy.

Oil or windscreens were your other options.  

But, on a serious note, Biodiesel has been displacing regular diesel on the west coast for a few years.  Also, Europe has been producing more biodiesel than they can use, lowering the price.

Will see. Let's hope the biodiesel helps fix the other interesting part of the initial photo at the pumps last fall - diesel more expensive than premium gasoline.... Growing up, who would have thought.
   

(07-11-2024, 12:26 PM)darrell Wrote: Today in my daily Ag Newsletter.

E15 Could Trim California Gas Prices
California’s legendary high gasoline prices could be knocked back as much as 20 cents per gallon if the state allows the sale of E15, a new study revealed. Increasing the volume of ethanol to 15% from the current 10% would increase the state’s overall fuel supply and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The study was released this week by the Renewable Fuels Association and was conducted by economists at UC Berkeley and the U.S. Naval Academy.

(Still trying to fiugure out how the Naval Academy got involved in this.)

Reports on a 2022 article in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences:

 “Corn ethanol is not a climate-friendly fuel,” said Dr. Tyler Lark, assistant scientist at University of Wisconsin-Madison Center for Sustainability and the Global Environment and lead author of the study.


The research, which was funded in part by the National Wildlife Federation and U.S. Department of Energy, found that ethanol is likely at least 24% more carbon-intensive than gasoline due to emissions resulting from land use changes to grow corn, along with processing and combustion.

Geoff Cooper, president and CEO of the Renewable Fuels Association, the ethanol trade lobby, called the study "completely fictional and erroneous," arguing the authors used "worst-case assumptions [and] cherry-picked data."

(Of course, we all know a midwestern corn farmer, who has a better feel for this than any of us.....)

Fuel supply and logistics are a primary concern of any military operation.  Therefore, the US military has been deeply involved in R&D for alternative fuels (energy sources) and propulsion systems for many decades.