Rear Tire Installation Failure

[Liteitup]

Yes, getting the opposite side of the tire you're working on into the drop center is what allows you to move the bead over the rim.

[Grumpy Goat]

Yes, getting the opposite side of the tire you're working on into the drop center is what allows you to move the bead over the rim.

Yes I knew that. Just was not sure of the terminology. Also never knew about lubricating that area. Great tip.

[Lee]

When I first got my No Mar I practiced with some old tires and a couple of rims from my brothers old (totalled) ZRX1100. Same size as the RS rims. You will get better at it, Wayne :-)

Sure would be nice if he could find a used scratched up rim to practice on.

[Duccrazydave]

That said, and not to steer this thread away from tires - but DC Dave - noticed the old Hauni badge on your work bench.... Italian bikes and German cigarettes seem like a bad match. With smoking tastes like that, I guess only natural you'd gravitate to BMW Motorrad.
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Ah, the Hauni badge. I’ll keep it somewhat short. I worked in the tobacco industry for almost 32 years. The last 10 or so in maintenance. When we started updating the facility, the old machines starting going out the door with a little less signage than what that they came in with :-)
The Wilma badge was from a set of 4 (you can probably guess the other 3 names) very old Molins filter combiner machines from the 50’s that I was responsible for. We lovingly called that area Jurassic Park.





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[Ray]

Yes, getting the opposite side of the tire you're working on into the drop center is what allows you to move the bead over the rim.

Thus the use of whatever blocks you have on hand to keep as much of the bead deep in the center as possible.

You've probably seen on videos, the zip tie or strap method to keep get the beads deep center on the first try. I've seen it done once on the road, and still carry a bunch of long zip ties in the emergency kit just in case my good luck of the last 35 y changes sometime, mid-trip. It makes you feel like you are not trying to wrestle the entire tire all at once. You won't need to add the zip ties once you do a few tires, but it might help you get the feel more quickly for smooth changes. (If you want to see some slick changes - watch a MotoGP tire video....)
Photo is from the Adventure Rider forum. (and for future reference, you'll note how he protects the front disks.... We don't want you making the disk replacement video.) zip tie photo link

   

[Grumpy Goat]

You've probably seen on videos, the zip tie or strap method to keep get the beads deep center on the first try. I've seen it done once on the road, and still carry a bunch of long zip ties in the emergency kit just in case my good luck of the last 35 y changes sometime, mid-trip. It makes you feel like you are not trying to wrestle the entire tire all at once. You won't need to add the zip ties once you do a few tires, but it might help you get the feel more quickly for smooth changes. (If you want to see some slick changes - watch a MotoGP tire video....)
Photo is from the Adventure Rider forum. (and for future reference, you'll note how he protects the front disks.... We don't want you making the disk replacement video.) zip tie photo link

Yeah, I definitely don't want to be making a front disk fail video, that's for sure.

Yes, I did see the zip tie method, but want to give the spooks a try next. Have changed lots of bicycle tires using spoons so I know the theory. These tires are a wee bit tougher though.

Just ordered a set of spoons. Looks like they are Chinese so who knows how strong they are. I am hoping that they don't bend like a wet noodle.

[Lee]

Just ordered a set of spoons. Looks like they are Chinese so who knows how strong they are. I am hoping that they don't bend like a wet noodle.

I would worry more about them snapping instead of bending.

[Grumpy Goat]

I would worry more about them snapping instead of bending.

You may be right. Tools made in China do not have materials as their best characteristic. One of my riding buddies from the office (Harley guy) is looking to buy some flat bar to make some tire levers. He’s a pretty frugal guy in many respects. Not sure how he’ll fashion the ends but he’s one of these guys with nothing better to do, I guess.


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[Ray]

As part of my "ride-it-out" travels, made the pilgrimage over to the welding shop where the No-Mar products are made in suburban St. Louis. Closed when I got there and not much to see on the outside.

For those who collect lists of destinations, I'll mention that it's close to Grant's Farm (U S Grant) which houses the Budweiser Clydesdales....

[I'll note for completeness that the bike in the last picture cost me $40 to put together - in case folks are looking for ways to keep their two wheel travel affordable. (Unfortunately, it's prolonged even further the life on my Dunlops, which now seem like they'll never wear out....)]







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[Lee]

For those who collect lists of destinations, I'll mention that it's close to Grant's Farm (U S Grant) which houses the Budweiser Clydesdales....

Looks like a good destination. Debbie likes draft horses and history.

[Olgry1]

This stay at home order is getting to me.
I thought the animals in the third picture were cows. After rereading your post I had an ahh moment with a laugh!

Thanks for the information Ray. Will have to check it out.

[Ray]

This stay at home order is getting to me. ....

Obviously, me too.

Taking out my wanderlust on a fixed gear bicycle has been tough on man and machinery.

But, it's allowed me to get to know the neighborhood. Did you know the first Czech Catholic church in the US is only a few blocks from my favorite doughnut shop? I would never have known if I was out travelling on the motorcycle.

(And I'll try not to skimp on pixels - not that Clydesdales aren't as big as the average cow....)


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[Olgry1]

Beautiful historic church.

No comment on the bicycle/doughnut shop destination

[Ray]

Beautiful historic church.

No comment on the bicycle/doughnut shop destination

(Growing up in Oak Park - surprised as you the first Czech was not in Chicago.)

[Grumpy Goat]

A viewer pointed out this video in response to my fail, video. Makes a lot of sense now.

[Duccrazydave]

Don't those guys in the NoMar videos piss you off. They make everything look easy
Looks like, as anytime you have to resort to spoons, the first one being held in place is the key. The blocks of wood also appear to keep the tire lower than the bead seat while finishing up

[BobAin'tStoppin']

Interesting tire irons. Where do you get them?

[Grumpy Goat]

Interesting tire irons. Where do you get them?

From No Mar directly:

SPOONBAR 16" NON-MARRING TIRE SPOON/TIRE IRON SET

[Grumpy Goat]

Don't those guys in the NoMar videos piss you off. They make everything look easy
Looks like, as anytime you have to resort to spoons, the first one being held in place is the key. The blocks of wood also appear to keep the tire lower than the bead seat while finishing up

I agree. When we attempt to do it all of a sudden it gets hard.

No Mar even sells the wood blocks ..

[Liteitup]

I thought you were joking.
https://www.nomartirechanger.com/Wood_Bl...blocks.htm

I've used screwdriver handles in a pinch.

$70 for two tire irons?